Discussion:
The Reality Dysfunction Of Mr. Lyle D. Blake
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Diane Arons
2004-08-05 18:24:01 UTC
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Has anyone else noticed that Lyle Blake hasn't exactly been on the
same wavelength as the rest of us lately?

Lyle has always doggy-paddled down in the shallow end of the gene pool
but in the last few weeks he's been floundering! As arguments
containing Nietzschian philosophies, biology vs. sociology themes and
gender queer theory zoom about the newsgroups and apparently just over
Lyle's pointy little noggin', he seems to be left with no other
rhetorical device then to stare open-mouthed at the participants and
blubber, "You're Diane!"

Oh, how the mighty kooks have fallen! Where once a Lyle Blake/Masters
could throw a newsgroup into an unrelenting months-long flame war, now
L.B. is reduced to sitting on the sidelines alongside a small army of
battered sock-puppetes mumbling invectives along with the occasional,
almost reflexive, "You're Diane!" while the rest of the newsgroup
snickers not so silently to themselves.

And Lyle seems utterly oblivious to all of this. Without insight that
he is being mocked. Without understanding that he's not quite tuned
in to the rest of us. His only reply and contribution to all the
discussion at large being, "You're Diane!" What is making him act
this way? Advancing age ? New medications or perhaps the lack of?
Or perhaps he's just given up?

A 13 year history of trolling and promotion of kook philosophies is
quite possibly the longest running gambit on Usenet. Archimedes
Plutonium lasted not nearly as long as has Lyle. It's a pity that
Lyle specialized in being a transgendered kook because ironically we
rarely get the recognition we deserve as most of the male-centric,
homophobic Usenet haute culture tends to disdain such things. It's a
pity though because right here, in our own ..homeland.. as it were, we
likely have the most prolific Usenet kook that has ever existed. By
comparison, Lyle puts such pundits as Ed (astrology-boy) Wollerman
back into the relms of rankest amateur.

And now...the days of LD Blake appear to be on the decline, with only
the vaguest sounds of "...you're ...diane...." fading away into the
winds of time.

Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
n***@any.adr
2004-08-05 18:36:02 UTC
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Post by Diane Arons
Has anyone else noticed that Lyle Blake hasn't exactly been on the
same wavelength as the rest of us lately?
Have you even seen the travel folders for REALITY Diane?

You're game is up... your lies are being exposed, you're sock puppets are
exposed, your anon trolling has been exposed...

Babe... you screwed up and you got caught at a 10 year game of lies,
defamation and forgery... THE GAME IS OVER... you lost. Get used to it.

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Laura
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-05 21:55:36 UTC
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Post by Diane Arons
Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
No silly, it's just you ranting again.

dd
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
SJ
2004-08-05 22:14:48 UTC
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Post by Diane Arons
A 13 year history of trolling and promotion of kook philosophies is
quite possibly the longest running gambit on Usenet.
Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
Hi, Diane,

I guess that would not be the end.

I have just one question. What else do you think she can do except those
daily activities you mentioned? In my humble opinion, that seems to be
exactly what she can do under her given circumstance, although it
certainly is not the best. She does not seem to have so many alternatives.

I believe that most of us also do not do our best, although we always seek
a best or an optimum.

SJ.
Sue Ann Robins
2004-08-05 23:11:45 UTC
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not really
I have noticed you all are obsessed with Laura.

Sue
n***@any.adr
2004-08-05 23:15:42 UTC
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Post by Sue Ann Robins
not really
I have noticed you all are obsessed with Laura.
[sigh] Kinda sad, ain't it?

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Laura
Sue Ann Robins
2004-08-09 02:31:26 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:11:45 -0700, "Sue Ann Robins"
Post by Sue Ann Robins
not really
I have noticed you all are obsessed with Laura.
[sigh] Kinda sad, ain't it?
i believe the operative word is Pathetic

Take Care
Sue
"E"
2004-08-05 23:40:58 UTC
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X-No-Archive: yes
Post by Sue Ann Robins
not really
I have noticed you all are obsessed with Laura.
Sue
I don't think that's exactly true Sue. The problem is that 'laura" is a man
in a support group for people who are seeking SRS and continually disrupts
any support that anyone attempts to give. When He's gone (rarely), it is a
very nice little group with many people willing to help, but when he's here,
everyone tries their best to get him to leave and nothing else is
accomplished.

Blake is a delusional crossdressing man with an agenda against transsexual
women and without the newsgroups and the disruption he causes in them, would
have no life at all.........
Sue Ann Robins
2004-08-09 02:34:40 UTC
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i think the problem is you all use that as an excuse..
when Laura leaves for a while any number of posts from the regulars show up
baiting and downgrading her instead of just letting things alone.
You All are very much obsessed, simply Obsessed.

i have watched this group since late 97... now come on don't try and sell me
that cosmic crap.

Sue
n***@any.adr
2004-08-09 03:18:59 UTC
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Post by Sue Ann Robins
i think the problem is you all use that as an excuse..
when Laura leaves for a while any number of posts from the regulars show up
baiting and downgrading her instead of just letting things alone.
You All are very much obsessed, simply Obsessed.
It would seem I've become responsible for there self-esteem.

I can fix that one in a hurry...

(Watch what happens next...)


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Laura
Willow Arune
2004-08-09 04:06:30 UTC
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Hi Laura,

By their posts, they have no self esteem. That is why they strike out
at anyone and everyone, even those not here. If they even just liked
themselves, they would not behave as they do. Of course, after time
spent here, I can understand why they feel that way about themselves.
Typical is Jenny's oft repeated claim to have "the best" gender
therapist in the world. Why of course - as a student nurse, she can
afford the very best (Can you picture Maxine and Ray having her as a
patient!!! Makes you want to cry...). The only way they can retain any
self image at all is to bolster themselves up by becoming important on a
list like this, which cannot ban them.

Look at E's posts as a very good example. She follows, never leads. As
a rule (with always some exceptions) she does not write much -
sustaining a thought for two paragraphs is enough. Repetitive and
clinging to insults (or pleas that she "did nothing!!")as her sole form
of communication. She tends to group well with Pauline - both followers
- for support.

Hugs,
Willow - who has giving up on being nice.
Post by n***@any.adr
Post by Sue Ann Robins
i think the problem is you all use that as an excuse..
when Laura leaves for a while any number of posts from the regulars show up
baiting and downgrading her instead of just letting things alone.
You All are very much obsessed, simply Obsessed.
It would seem I've become responsible for there self-esteem.
I can fix that one in a hurry...
(Watch what happens next...)
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Laura
n***@any.adr
2004-08-09 06:40:56 UTC
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Post by Willow Arune
Hi Laura,
By their posts, they have no self esteem.
Ya think?


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Laura
Alison Pretty
2004-08-19 16:58:32 UTC
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Post by "E"
X-No-Archive: yes
Post by Sue Ann Robins
not really
I have noticed you all are obsessed with Laura.
Sue
I don't think that's exactly true Sue.
But certainly very close to the mark.

The problem is that 'laura" is a man
Post by "E"
in a support group for people who are seeking SRS and continually disrupts
any support that anyone attempts to give. When He's gone (rarely), it is a
very nice little group with many people willing to help, but when he's here,
everyone tries their best to get him to leave and nothing else is
accomplished.
I dont think so. When Laura is there she challenges vacuous advice, as do
some others. Deprived of the opportunity to hand out their selfserving
disability model - without counterpoint- certain multialiased delusionals
take a hissy fit.
The whole thing has got now to the point that Diane and co are sent into a
spin by the very presence of the contrary speakers
Post by "E"
Blake is a delusional crossdressing man with an agenda against transsexual
women and without the newsgroups and the disruption he causes in them, would
have no life at all.........
Regurgitating the Party line from the "sisters of transexxual purity".....
L D Blake
2004-08-19 17:35:11 UTC
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Post by Alison Pretty
Regurgitating the Party line from the "sisters of transexxual purity".....
And, in the process, betraying a profound lack of intellectual capacity.

Ad Hominem is probably the weakest form of counter possible in any kind of
discussion...

"Yeah, so's yer old man!"



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Laura
Diane Arons
2004-08-06 21:51:04 UTC
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Fuckwit has a particularly interesting sense of humour...
She spends YEARS trying to shut me up and then sends me a couple of
dozen e-mails demanding that I continue posting.... What a LOOSER!
Yeah.... that ws so obviously me <rotflmao!>
Have you started drinking again Lyle or is your brain deteriorating on it's own ?

Ohhhh... and it's spelled "Loser", you dim-witted eighth-grade drop-out <LOL!>
n***@any.adr
2004-08-06 21:52:29 UTC
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Post by Diane Arons
Fuckwit has a particularly interesting sense of humour...
Ohhhh... and it's spelled "Loser", you dim-witted eighth-grade drop-out <LOL!>
Well, one thing's for sure...

You're the dipshit that started crossposting this thread.
(But of course you've been doing that all along and accusing me of it)

You're also the one who stated hurling insults into the crossdressing
newsgroup.
(Also nothing new)


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Laura
Sandra
2004-08-06 22:26:17 UTC
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Post by n***@any.adr
Post by Diane Arons
Fuckwit has a particularly interesting sense of humour...
Ohhhh... and it's spelled "Loser", you dim-witted eighth-grade drop-out <LOL!>
Well, one thing's for sure...
You're the dipshit that started crossposting this thread.
(But of course you've been doing that all along and accusing me of it)
You're also the one who stated hurling insults into the crossdressing
newsgroup.
(Also nothing new)
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Laura
Having a bit of a memory lapse there, Laura? I believe the insults
started when I had made an innocent response to a post regarding grey
areas in gender presentation and gender identity. If I recall correctly
it was you that started with the insults after Heather said she felt a
bit overwhelmed. If you'd like I can look the exchange up for you since I
don't use the X-NoArchive feature.

Have a transgendered day, dear.

Sandra
(Diane Collective 2 of 9)
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
AlisonPretty
2004-08-08 05:08:17 UTC
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Post by Sandra
Post by n***@any.adr
Post by Diane Arons
Fuckwit has a particularly interesting sense of humour...
Ohhhh... and it's spelled "Loser", you dim-witted eighth-grade drop-out <LOL!>
Well, one thing's for sure...
You're the dipshit that started crossposting this thread.
(But of course you've been doing that all along and accusing me of it)
You're also the one who stated hurling insults into the crossdressing
newsgroup.
(Also nothing new)
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Laura
Having a bit of a memory lapse there, Laura? I believe the insults
started when I had made an innocent response
Who do you think you are fooling Sandra?

There isnt an innocent bone in body from what I can see.

As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take it as an
open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as he's done here so
often.

As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes into
ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Post by Sandra
Sandra
(Diane Collective 2 of 9)
Alison Pretty - readying herself to take a dump
Stephe
2004-08-09 03:47:51 UTC
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Post by AlisonPretty
Post by Sandra
Having a bit of a memory lapse there, Laura? I believe the insults
started when I had made an innocent response
Who do you think you are fooling Sandra?
There isnt an innocent bone in body from what I can see.
As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take it as
an open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as he's done here
so often.
As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes into
ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Is it just me or does this sound just like some crap LB would post?
--
Stephe
AlisonPretty
2004-08-10 02:39:48 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take it as
an open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as he's done here
so often.
As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes into
ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Is it just me or does this sound just like some crap LB would post?
--
Stephe
I think it's just you Stephe :)
On the other hand it could be that similiar states of 'fed-up' result in
similiar reactions. Dickless has inflicted his MPD venom all over Usenet for
a long time. Ive always taken it as the vain imaginings of a deluded and
quite sick lame-ass.
Lately Ive come to realise just how dangerously bigoted some of the cabal
are.
So maybe now is a good time to start lopping some of the heads off the
snake(s).

Alison, pretty in pearls
lonely dolphin
2004-08-10 02:47:15 UTC
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Post by AlisonPretty
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take it
as
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
an open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as he's done
here
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
so often.
As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes
into
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Is it just me or does this sound just like some crap LB would post?
--
Stephe
I think it's just you Stephe :)
On the other hand it could be that similiar states of 'fed-up' result in
similiar reactions. Dickless has inflicted his MPD venom all over Usenet for
a long time. Ive always taken it as the vain imaginings of a deluded and
quite sick lame-ass.
Lately Ive come to realise just how dangerously bigoted some of the cabal
are.
So maybe now is a good time to start lopping some of the heads off the
snake(s).
Alison, pretty in pearls
Just curious Allison, in an off-topic sort of way, is it as hard to
get into NZ as that's chatted up? and is South Island as beautiful as
it looks from 12000 miles away?


--
n***@any.adr
2004-08-10 04:43:33 UTC
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Post by AlisonPretty
Lately Ive come to realise just how dangerously bigoted some of the cabal
are.
[grin] and it only took you 5 years!
Post by AlisonPretty
So maybe now is a good time to start lopping some of the heads off the
snake(s).
Ya think?


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Laura
Stephe
2004-08-10 06:40:20 UTC
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Post by AlisonPretty
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take it
as
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
an open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as he's done
here
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
so often.
As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes
into
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Is it just me or does this sound just like some crap LB would post?
--
Stephe
I think it's just you Stephe :)
I doubt it.
Post by AlisonPretty
On the other hand it could be that similiar states of 'fed-up' result in
similiar reactions. Dickless has inflicted his MPD venom all over Usenet
for a long time.
Yet you ignore (and actually agree/join in with?) Lauras usenet abuse? What
exactly do you think Laura is doing in ASRS? Why do you think Laura
regularly crossposts to every usenet trans group? Yet you "buddy up" with
Laura and think calling Diane "Dickless" is going to do what exactly?
--
Stephe
n***@any.adr
2004-08-10 15:00:15 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Yet you ignore (and actually agree/join in with?) Lauras usenet abuse?
If you weren't so busy hating you might also see what's going on.

Stephe, you don't appear to realize that you've been suckered into hating
someone by a troll. Diane's done a real number on you and you're just lapping
it up. Alison has taken a look beyond the surface of all the hatred and tried
to find out what's actually going on... something you've never bothered to do.

If you weren't so starry eyed every time a transsexual gets near you'd see it
too...


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Laura
Alison Pretty
2004-08-11 16:10:45 UTC
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edit
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
On the other hand it could be that similiar states of 'fed-up' result in
similiar reactions. Dickless has inflicted his MPD venom all over Usenet
for a long time.
Yet you ignore (and actually agree/join in with?) Lauras usenet abuse? What
exactly do you think Laura is doing in ASRS? Why do you think Laura
regularly crossposts to every usenet trans group? Yet you "buddy up" with
Laura and think calling Diane "Dickless" is going to do what exactly?
--
Stephe
Sometimes I ignore Laura, sometimes when others, notably new visitors, get
agitated, I remind them how easy kill filters are.
Other times I agree with what Laura has to say, and some of those times Ill
remark on it, others not. You'll probably find dozens of times Ive suggested
Laura is obscuring her message behind her vernacular.

As to what Laura is doing in ASS, well Ive gotta say it varies. On occasion
she has perfectly passable conversations. Generally however, I see her
wading in boots and all, in her inimitable style. The purpose of her
forays.... that's even harder to surmise, cause I aint no mind reader
really.
At a guess, Id say 2 main thrusts: 1 keeping people honest - whether they be
mis-spoken, or downright nasty, and 2 returning the favours so generously
shared by some the regular denizens of ASS and other TG communities.
Before you jump on me, I know there is a vigorous debate about who did what
first etc, but I think its all immaterial at this point.

Back to me, well I 'buddy up' to all sorts at times. I'm kinda partial to
seeking out the pearls that are left behind in the rush, and giving them a
rub or two.

And as for Diane, and remarks like Dickless, Nutjob, etc etc etc, well Diane
has made it very plain, he considers everyone else should either join his
illusion of being a GG, or at the least help him lie his way thru life by
means of their silence. My view is that the nickname usage comes and goes,
but serves to remind Diane, and others listening to him, that he's actually
only one dick away from where he started.
Course I guess it's possible that at some stage in the future he could end
up in involuntary treatment for his illness (I cant imagine free will
getting him there). Adding some stronger anti-psychotics to his current
regime might achieve wonders.
Mind you, don't know if they can feed him the neccessary strength while he's
pregnant. Do you think he's gonna breast-feed? ROFLMAO

See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how much and
how long we are/have been laughing at him, might jog some sense into
m - - but I doubt it.

Have a nice day Stephe :)

Alison, Pretty funny that dickless, aint he?
Stephe
2004-08-13 03:07:31 UTC
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Post by Alison Pretty
And as for Diane, and remarks like Dickless, Nutjob, etc etc etc, well
Diane has made it very plain, he
Why stoop to Laura's level of calling someone who obviously ID's themselves
as a woman "He"?
Post by Alison Pretty
Mind you, don't know if they can feed him the neccessary strength while
he's pregnant. Do you think he's gonna breast-feed? ROFLMAO
And who do you think finds this sort of insulting crap funny besides Laura?
Post by Alison Pretty
See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how much and
how long we are/have been laughing at him,
Again this sounds -exactly- like something Laura would post.
--
Stephe
Sandra
2004-08-13 03:14:53 UTC
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Stephe,
Please note the crossposting. Does Alison, by any chance wish to embroil
the cd group in this as well? Maybe she has another agenda than simple
defamation?
Sandra

[crossposting to alt.support.crossdressing removed to prevent possible
flames]
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
And as for Diane, and remarks like Dickless, Nutjob, etc etc etc,
well Diane has made it very plain, he
Why stoop to Laura's level of calling someone who obviously ID's
themselves as a woman "He"?
Post by Alison Pretty
Mind you, don't know if they can feed him the neccessary strength
while he's pregnant. Do you think he's gonna breast-feed? ROFLMAO
And who do you think finds this sort of insulting crap funny besides Laura?
Post by Alison Pretty
See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how
much and how long we are/have been laughing at him,
Again this sounds -exactly- like something Laura would post.
Alison Pretty
2004-08-13 13:40:21 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Why stoop to Laura's level of calling someone who obviously ID's themselves
as a woman "He"?
Well, I don't view it as stooping. Its more in the vein of confrontational
therapy I suppose. Diane lives in this little fantasy world, wall to wall
self-deceit, and deceit of those around him. If it remained at that level,
those potential for people to be hurt would be limited to the RL fooled and
their feelings, and Diane when someone taught him a lesson about telling
lies.
But he doesn't leave it at that. He persists in trying to con people in the
newsgroups, both about his real status, and the consequences that can flow
from living a lie. Thats where it becomes dangerous to other people.
Combine that with the rampant undermining of the most vocal voice/s
advocating a harnmony between honesty and happiness, and you have ample
justification imho for pro-active defense of those who may be hurt.
I truly believe Diane has brought this on himself. I am also certain I wont
be the last to get fed up and move from 'tut tut', to dishing out much
needed reality checks.
Post by Stephe
And who do you think finds this sort of insulting crap funny besides Laura?
Firstly, the insult was to peoples intelligence and credulity when Diane
claimed to be developing the physical sexual organs of a GG. Then he added
further insult to that injury by claiming this was verified by a medical
professional.
As to who thinks it's funny? I reckon theres a majority who are laughing
darling, some snickering, some roaring fit to bust a gut, just like me:
ROFLMAO over and over again
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how much
and how long we are/have been laughing at him, might jog some sense into
him - - but I doubt it.
Again this sounds -exactly- like something Laura would post.
You snipped my comments on the similar thinking. Read em again if you need
this question answering again.

BTW, if memory serves, you and LB used to march and post in step. Should we
draw inferences from that?
Post by Stephe
--
Stephe
Alison, pretty sure Diane is dickless
Sandra
2004-08-17 01:28:40 UTC
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see inline comments below.
Hugs,
Sandra
Post by Diane Arons
Post by Stephe
Why stoop to Laura's level of calling someone who obviously ID's
themselves
Post by Stephe
as a woman "He"?
Well, I don't view it as stooping. Its more in the vein of
confrontational therapy I suppose. Diane lives in this little fantasy
world, wall to wall self-deceit, and deceit of those around him. If it
remained at that level, those potential for people to be hurt would be
limited to the RL fooled and their feelings, and Diane when someone
taught him a lesson about telling lies.
and just exactly who appointed you to the position of reality monitor?
Post by Diane Arons
But he doesn't leave it at that. He persists in trying to con people
in the newsgroups, both about his real status, and the consequences
that can flow from living a lie. Thats where it becomes dangerous to
other people. Combine that with the rampant undermining of the most
vocal voice/s advocating a harnmony between honesty and happiness, and
you have ample justification imho for pro-active defense of those who
may be hurt. I truly believe Diane has brought this on himself. I am
also certain I wont be the last to get fed up and move from 'tut tut',
to dishing out much needed reality checks.
You say "he" and him and that betrays your own bias and pettiness. Who's
rights and fragility are you defending, Alison? And from whence comes
your authority to do so? If you wish to take the moral high ground,
Alison, be prepared to walk it and not just posture from a visible ledge.
Post by Diane Arons
Post by Stephe
And who do you think finds this sort of insulting crap funny besides
Laura?
Firstly, the insult was to peoples intelligence and credulity when
Diane claimed to be developing the physical sexual organs of a GG.
Then he added further insult to that injury by claiming this was
verified by a medical professional.
Diane claimed to have had a certain experience. Perhaps you didn't read
that part? And what expertise do you claim in the matter of post op
periodic bleeding or PMS to make such a judgement?
Post by Diane Arons
As to who thinks it's funny? I reckon theres a majority who are
laughing darling, some snickering, some roaring fit to bust a gut,
just like me: ROFLMAO over and over again
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how
much and how long we are/have been laughing at him, might jog some
sense into him - - but I doubt it.
Again this sounds -exactly- like something Laura would post.
You snipped my comments on the similar thinking. Read em again if you
need this question answering again.
BTW, if memory serves, you and LB used to march and post in step.
Should we draw inferences from that?
Post by Stephe
--
Stephe
Alison, pretty sure Diane is dickless
Sandra (pretty sure that Alison is clueless)
Alison Pretty
2004-08-17 13:36:57 UTC
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Post by Sandra
see inline comments below.
Ditto, hugs Alison :)
Post by Sandra
Hugs,
Sandra
Post by Diane Arons
Post by Stephe
Why stoop to Laura's level of calling someone who obviously ID's
themselves
Post by Stephe
as a woman "He"?
Well, I don't view it as stooping. Its more in the vein of
confrontational therapy I suppose. Diane lives in this little fantasy
world, wall to wall self-deceit, and deceit of those around him. If it
remained at that level, those potential for people to be hurt would be
limited to the RL fooled and their feelings, and Diane when someone
taught him a lesson about telling lies.
and just exactly who appointed you to the position of reality monitor?
No-one. I just call 'em as I see 'em. Fighting for truth and justice,
defending the meek and down-trodden....
Really Sandra, whats your question other than a ludicrous jibe?
Anyway... to misquote Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the
triumph of evil is for good men (sic) to do nothing." That in itself is
ample anointing to anyone undertaking the public spirited burden of 'reality
monitor'.

If one were to review Burke's true statement*, he is referring to the
neccesity of supporters of good banding together to oppose the cabal of
evil. His insistent implication is that lone voices for good shall be one by
one defeated and silenced.
Thus, taken out of it's original political context (an Brit defending the
rebellious colonies), it is especially poignant for these times in this
place: The cabal of evil, in fact a cacophony of multiple personalities and
posting ID's, seeking by surreptitious means to divide the forces of good,
and by doing so 'silence' them.
This at a time, when Burkes original words are widely misquoted, most
generously by the forces of the ultra-right (ah the irony).
So, as a believer in good over evil if nothing else, I join with Burke's
other anointed, to ensure the voice of reasoned reality is not silenced by
virtue of its fragmentation.
Post by Sandra
Post by Diane Arons
But he doesn't leave it at that. He persists in trying to con people
in the newsgroups, both about his real status, and the consequences
that can flow from living a lie. Thats where it becomes dangerous to
other people. Combine that with the rampant undermining of the most
vocal voice/s advocating a harnmony between honesty and happiness, and
you have ample justification imho for pro-active defense of those who
may be hurt. I truly believe Diane has brought this on himself. I am
also certain I wont be the last to get fed up and move from 'tut tut',
to dishing out much needed reality checks.
You say "he" and him and that betrays your own bias and pettiness.
If you say so.... then thtas your opinion one supposes.
Considering you are responding to an explanation of this very point, one
would have thought you might have seen my grounding is far from petty...
rather it is a deliberate, calculated and measured (and effective) approach.
Bias? Yes. Im biased in favour of fact. He aint no GG. FACT.
Post by Sandra
Who's
rights and fragility are you defending, Alison? And from whence comes
your authority to do so? If you wish to take the moral high ground,
Alison, be prepared to walk it and not just posture from a visible ledge.
One needs no authority darling. As much as it infuriates those who live
their lives trapped in the confines of rigid permission systems (for want of
a better expression), Usenet is a largely unregulated community, those
confines that do exist, being 'suggestions', 'courtesies', or 'conventions
of convenience'. Even they are in reality, simply constructs to protect the
great unwashed from too much thinking, crutches of dependence in facing down
challenging thought if you will.
As for the moral high ground, that is eternally un-resolvable. Rather than
rest on some specious moral authority, I prefer the more risky approach of
applying actual thought. A model unfavoured by you it would appear?
Post by Sandra
Post by Diane Arons
Post by Stephe
And who do you think finds this sort of insulting crap funny besides
Laura?
Firstly, the insult was to peoples intelligence and credulity when
Diane claimed to be developing the physical sexual organs of a GG.
Then he added further insult to that injury by claiming this was
verified by a medical professional.
Diane claimed to have had a certain experience. Perhaps you didn't read
that part? And what expertise do you claim in the matter of post op
periodic bleeding or PMS to make such a judgement?
Diane did not claim to have had a certain experience. Go back and read the
posts. He laid the ground in the choice of Subject, carefully drew out the
plot mixed with inferences, made a plaintive attempt to inject some wholly
unsupported 'official sanction' and then was so distressed with the result
of his foray into fiction, he added before even a soul had read it, 'Im not
lying'.

Even he realised that his concoction and contorted fantasy would be
un-believable to even those who -read- it unchallenged or sullied by
subsequent replies.
Why did he feel the need? Plainly he himself didn't believe it either....
nor should he.
The whole egregious post has all the trappings of a vain and lame attempt to
distract from the sound metaphysical beating he has taken recently from
Laura.

You, should you wish to be better informed, might read a little on the
operation of a dysfunctional psyche when it feels under threat. A typical
manifestation is the retreat into fantasy. I leave you to form your own
reading list as I am unwilling to overtax you, not knowing the limits of
your untellect.
Post by Sandra
Post by Diane Arons
As to who thinks it's funny? I reckon theres a majority who are
laughing darling, some snickering, some roaring fit to bust a gut,
just like me: ROFLMAO over and over again
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
See Stephe, Diane is just a big joke really. Letting him know how
much and how long we are/have been laughing at him, might jog some
sense into him - - but I doubt it.
Again this sounds -exactly- like something Laura would post.
You snipped my comments on the similar thinking. Read em again if you
need this question answering again.
BTW, if memory serves, you and LB used to march and post in step.
Should we draw inferences from that?
Post by Stephe
--
Stephe
Alison, pretty sure Diane is dickless
Sandra (pretty sure that Alison is clueless)
And welcome to the opinion you are. Someone has to form the minority view :)

Alison. Pretty happy to let others make their own assessments of
cluelessness.

* Burkes original writing (an excerpt)
"Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate
the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common
counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie
dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is
uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are
not acquainted with each other's principles, nor experienced in each other's
talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by
joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common
interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can
act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a
connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the
whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are
wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by
vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single,
unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the
subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men
combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an
unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

And an example of a link discussing the mis-quoting of Burke...
http://www.tartarus.org/~martin/essays/burkequote2.html
There are many other equally cogent essays on Burke's latterday revision. If
this one doesn't suit, google the misquote: "The only thing necessary for
the triumph of evil"
Stephe
2004-08-18 01:46:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
Post by Sandra
You say "he" and him and that betrays your own bias and pettiness.
If you say so.... then thtas your opinion one supposes.
And most other people's here as well. Only a few people, Blake, you and JS
etc do this crap.
Post by Alison Pretty
rather it is a deliberate, calculated and measured (and effective) approach.
Yea it's real effective isn't it? Blake's been doing this for ten years and
we see how it's helped these groups haven't we...
Post by Alison Pretty
He aint no GG. FACT.
So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used.
Post by Alison Pretty
The whole egregious post has all the trappings of a vain and lame attempt
to distract from the sound metaphysical beating he has taken recently from
Laura.
So the point here is you want to be Laura's tag team partner? Now that is
pathetic!
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-18 02:19:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
Post by Sandra
You say "he" and him and that betrays your own bias and pettiness.
If you say so.... then thtas your opinion one supposes.
And most other people's here as well. Only a few people, Blake, you and JS
etc do this crap.
Excuse me... look again... I don't pull gender doubt on anyone.

Even fuckwit gets She and Her from me.
Post by Stephe
So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used.
That's right... so go tell that to your fuckup friends.



-----
Laura
Stephe
2004-08-18 07:05:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
Post by Sandra
You say "he" and him and that betrays your own bias and pettiness.
If you say so.... then thtas your opinion one supposes.
And most other people's here as well. Only a few people, Blake, you and JS
etc do this crap.
Excuse me... look again... I don't pull gender doubt on anyone.
BS, you've used He and him toward me (and Lacey etc) on numerous occasions,
do I have to dig up some google stuff to show you're lying yet again? Are
you realy this brain dead you don't remember what you've done or just a
habitual lier?

http://www.google.com/groups?q=Lacey+fucking+lee+group:alt.support.crossdressing&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=BGqcc.1882%24ZT1.318%40bignews6.bellsouth.net&rnum=1
Post by L D Blake
Fucking Lacey Fucking Lee Fucking Earle spends 3
years flaming my ass every chance he gets
^^
Post by L D Blake
Even fuckwit gets She and Her from me.
I guess it's only "your pears" that get this abuse from you? BTW it's so
easy to find your posts, just do a google search using cuss words. :-)
--
Stephe
Willow Arune
2004-08-18 04:14:28 UTC
Permalink
Stephe wrote:

"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."

Agreed. It is polite and correct.

W.
Stephe
2004-08-18 06:50:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Willow Arune
"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."
Agreed. It is polite and correct.
People who play this "pronoun game" show what -losers- they really are by
doing it. Just another way to sift through the people you shouldn't listen
to advice from.
--
Stephe
p***@yahoo.com
2004-08-18 08:42:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephe
Post by Willow Arune
"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."
Agreed. It is polite and correct.
People who play this "pronoun game" show what -losers- they really are by
doing it. Just another way to sift through the people you shouldn't listen
to advice from.
Maybe I ought to suggest a pronoun filter for Agent LOL! One could
probably dispense with any other filtering besides improper pronouns and
maybe the F word!
--
"Terror must be maintained, or the empire will surely fall."
(Bad Spock in an alternate universe)
Stephe
2004-08-19 05:51:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by p***@yahoo.com
Post by Stephe
Post by Willow Arune
"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."
Agreed. It is polite and correct.
People who play this "pronoun game" show what -losers- they really are by
doing it. Just another way to sift through the people you shouldn't listen
to advice from.
Maybe I ought to suggest a pronoun filter for Agent LOL! One could
probably dispense with any other filtering besides improper pronouns and
maybe the F word!
Foul language and improper promoun users will filter out most of the noise.
--
Stephe
Alison Pretty
2004-08-18 15:15:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephe
Post by Willow Arune
"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."
Agreed. It is polite and correct.
People who play this "pronoun game" show what -losers- they really are by
doing it. Just another way to sift through the people you shouldn't listen
to advice from.
--
Stephe
Yeah right , Stephe wants to be the first to print the full edition of the
rule book, so now she's dreaming up ones that don't exist.
Stick to your knitting Stephe, its not directed at you, Ive made it very
plain why, and what for.
Like it or lump it.

Alison
L D Blake
2004-08-18 16:24:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
Yeah right , Stephe wants to be the first to print the full edition of the
rule book
And why is it always the intellectual weaklings who want to make rules?

-----
Laura
Stephe
2004-08-19 05:54:41 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:15:12 +1200, "Alison Pretty"
Post by Alison Pretty
Yeah right , Stephe wants to be the first to print the full edition of the
rule book
And why is it always the intellectual weaklings who want to make rules?
What rules? I'm just noting -losers- are the ones doing this crap.

Feel free to continue.
--
Stephe
Alison Pretty
2004-08-19 16:17:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephe
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:15:12 +1200, "Alison Pretty"
Post by Alison Pretty
Yeah right , Stephe wants to be the first to print the full edition of the
rule book
And why is it always the intellectual weaklings who want to make rules?
What rules? I'm just noting -losers- are the ones doing this crap.
Feel free to continue.
--
Stephe
"Losers are the ones doing this crap"..... but I thought you said you didnt
do it?

As for rule making, re-read your own post.

Alison, pretty starved for a living breathing conversationalist
Stephe
2004-08-20 05:51:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
Post by Stephe
What rules? I'm just noting -losers- are the ones doing this crap.
Feel free to continue.
--
Stephe
"Losers are the ones doing this crap"..... but I thought you said you
didnt do it?
Did I send you a rude gender slam? And yes -LOSERS- are the ones doing the
gender slamming. Look around you at who else is doing this activity you've
joined in with.

As far as "rules" please point in my posts here where I was trying to
enforce anything, just noting only a -real loser- would do this BS. Feel
free to continue.
--
Stephe
Alison Pretty
2004-08-20 09:50:33 UTC
Permalink
Did I send you a rude gender slam? And yes -losers- are the ones doing the
gender slamming. Look around you at who else is doing this activity you've
joined in with.
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one is
in your rule-book
2, its petty but ... well yes, I think you did. the winners in life are
those who build outside their closets. the losers are those trapped in them.
Hereabouts, Dickless and co exemplify the loser closet brigade. You sent
multiple messages associating me with that bunch of losers.
As far as "rules" please point in my posts here where I was trying to
enforce anything, just noting only a -real loser- would do this BS. Feel
free to continue.
EXCERPT
He aint no GG. FACT.
So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used.

END EXCERPT
--
you try to set the rule, then you deny it, now eat crow.
He has no right, nor do I or you.... its all down to courtesy.... and
courtesies are earned, and even then they can be un-earned. So far you still
receive the courtesy from me that Ive extended for some time...Diane no
longer deserves that courtesy from me.... therefore he doesnt get it..
Stephe
Alison
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-20 10:33:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
He has no right, nor do I or you.... its all down to courtesy.... and
courtesies are earned, and even then they can be un-earned. So far you still
receive the courtesy from me that Ive extended for some time...Diane no
longer deserves that courtesy from me.... therefore he doesnt get it..
Oh, so THAT's what it comes down to. "I will because I can/
you can't stop me/ I decide who's deserving/ she shattered
my last nerve," etc.

Well thanks, that's certainly a lot more clear than the "I'm
an agent for the forces of good" crap you started out with.

Ego's need to justify sure will make us say some funny
things, eh?
;)

dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Alison Pretty
2004-08-21 02:22:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by DoomsdayDriver
Oh, so THAT's what it comes down to. "I will because I can/
you can't stop me/ I decide who's deserving/ she shattered
my last nerve," etc.
I am really struggling to understand what youre meaning here beyond the
playground you said she said bunkim.

'I will because I can'? - how else can it be? Are you inferring I do only
because I can, rather than have some other reason for 'doing'? If that is so
then, not guilty.... I haven't the time to approach from that angle... I do
because in a given instance it appears to my perspective that xy can be
achieved by investing in a given action.

'You can't stop me'? Well the thread at this point is about Stephe
remonstrating that Im breaking some unwritten rule by not blindly supporting
anyone's self description. She (Stephe) didnt try to stop me so much, (feel
free to continue or some such remark), as lambast me for having the audacity
to hold my own views. I explained myself, and then she pigeonholed me with
the loser ASSwipes I was talking about. Strange bed-fellows.

"I decide who's deserving' - nah, I don't. I do decide whom to extend
courtesy to, just like everyone else.

'She shattered my last nerve' - Who?, immaterial really cause no one has.
Some have exhausted my capacity to try to hold a rational conversation with
them.
Post by DoomsdayDriver
Well thanks, that's certainly a lot more clear than the "I'm
an agent for the forces of good" crap you started out with.
Im glad youre finding clarity.... eventually you will, I surmise, learn that
there is indeed goodness to be found, and indeed evil.By the time you do,
you will probably find that you have alreadty chosen which to align yourself
with :)
Post by DoomsdayDriver
Ego's need to justify sure will make us say some funny
things, eh?
;)
When asked, I explain.... if you want to call it justification thats your
perogative
Post by DoomsdayDriver
dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Alison
Stephe
2004-08-21 07:52:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
Well the thread at this point is about Stephe
remonstrating that Im breaking some unwritten rule by not blindly
supporting anyone's self description.
Seems sad someone -with gender issues- would use this to attack someone else
-with these same issues- they share in comon. If you think Diane is a creep
or a jerk, say so. What purpose does a gender slam serve?
Post by Alison Pretty
She (Stephe) didnt try to stop me so
much, (feel free to continue or some such remark), as lambast me for
having the audacity to hold my own views.
Only a real loser uses something this lame as an "attack" against another
transperson. Look at who else is doing this and then tell me the people
doing it are the upstanding members of these newsgroups.
Post by Alison Pretty
I explained myself, and then she
pigeonholed me with the loser ASSwipes I was talking about.
Given you are doing the exact same things they are doing, why shouldn't I?
Post by Alison Pretty
I do decide whom to extend
courtesy to, just like everyone else.
No one said you have to be nice, it's just pathetic to use this "he/him"
stuff trying to belittle another trans person.
Post by Alison Pretty
'She shattered my last nerve' - Who?, immaterial really cause no one has.
Some have exhausted my capacity to try to hold a rational conversation
with them.
Then ignore them.
--
Stephe
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-21 23:36:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
Im glad youre finding clarity.... eventually you will, I surmise, learn that
there is indeed goodness to be found, and indeed evil.By the time you do,
you will probably find that you have alreadty chosen which to align yourself
with :)
Ah well, I'm not a joiner & don't believe in the cult of
duality -- "good vs. evil" thinking.
The primary result of it is that in trying so hard to "side"
with "good" one is inevitably drawn into covert collusion
with "evil". It's a kind of spiritual quicksand you may grow
weary of being mired in.

The secret unity of opposites indeed!


dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Stephe
2004-08-21 02:34:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one is
in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he? Be the same
as when I walk into a store wearing a skirt and some guy -wanting to insult
me- start into the sir this and sir that. It's all about intent and you
just stated you are doing this to insult/attack someone.
Post by Alison Pretty
2, its petty but ... well yes, I think you did. the winners in life are
those who build outside their closets. the losers are those trapped in
them. Hereabouts, Dickless and co exemplify the loser closet brigade.
So where is my gender slam?
Post by Alison Pretty
Post by Stephe
As far as "rules" please point in my posts here where I was trying to
enforce anything, just noting only a -real loser- would do this BS. Feel
free to continue.
EXCERPT
Post by Stephe
He aint no GG. FACT.
So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used.
END EXCERPT
Post by Stephe
--
you try to set the rule, then you deny it, now eat crow.
Obviously I can't enforce this "right" but if you want me to say I was
wrong saying I wasn't -making up rules- I can deal with that, I was wrong.
Happy now?

I do think the group of people doing this "gender slamming" are the biggest
bunch of -losers- on these newsgroups and also are the same people who
cause 99% of the problems. Feel free to join the list of losers!
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-21 15:08:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one is
in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he?
Yet strangely enough you never seem to mind when Diane calls me by a name I
got rid of more than a decade ago and uses male pronouns.

Stephe, it is plenty obvious to anyone who's reading comprehension scores in
positive numbers that YOU are no less biased and hateful than the people you
so stupidly defend.
Post by Stephe
Be the same
as when I walk into a store wearing a skirt and some guy -wanting to insult
me- start into the sir this and sir that. It's all about intent and you
just stated you are doing this to insult/attack someone.
Yet strangely enough you have no problem with it when it's the transsexuals
attacking us... now do you?
Post by Stephe
I do think the group of people doing this "gender slamming" are the biggest
bunch of -losers- on these newsgroups and also are the same people who
cause 99% of the problems. Feel free to join the list of losers!
My god Stephe you have got to be the most totally clueless little blow job to
ever cross my path... here you are all allied up with the insane likes of
Diane Lask and Jennifer Usher --your friends because they know they can
manipulate you-- thrashing away at your own peers and accusing us of being a
bunch of losers?

Hint: The loser's the one the real losers are playing for a chump... and that
would be you, Stephe.


-----
Laura
Sandra
2004-08-21 18:44:35 UTC
Permalink
Laura,

I could be mistaken, but I don't recall anyone attacking Stephe for her
views, just you. Could you be attempting to form an imaginary alliance
now with Stephe based on your own vain imaginings? Just a small hint,
Laura, I don't think she much admires your approach to conflict
resolution either. So how many swear words have you posted this week
online, Laura? You *are* counting, aren't you?

Sandra
Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude
one is in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he?
Yet strangely enough you never seem to mind when Diane calls me by a
name I got rid of more than a decade ago and uses male pronouns.
Stephe, it is plenty obvious to anyone who's reading comprehension
scores in positive numbers that YOU are no less biased and hateful
than the people you so stupidly defend.
Post by Stephe
Be the same
as when I walk into a store wearing a skirt and some guy -wanting to
insult me- start into the sir this and sir that. It's all about intent
and you just stated you are doing this to insult/attack someone.
Yet strangely enough you have no problem with it when it's the
transsexuals attacking us... now do you?
Post by Stephe
I do think the group of people doing this "gender slamming" are the biggest
bunch of -losers- on these newsgroups and also are the same people who
cause 99% of the problems. Feel free to join the list of losers!
My god Stephe you have got to be the most totally clueless little blow
job to ever cross my path... here you are all allied up with the
insane likes of Diane Lask and Jennifer Usher --your friends because
they know they can manipulate you-- thrashing away at your own peers
and accusing us of being a bunch of losers?
Hint: The loser's the one the real losers are playing for a chump...
and that would be you, Stephe.
-----
Laura
L D Blake
2004-08-21 19:45:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Willow Arune
Laura,
I could be mistaken, but I don't recall anyone attacking Stephe for her
views, just you.
I didn't say anyone attacked Stephe for her views.
Post by Willow Arune
Could you be attempting to form an imaginary alliance
now with Stephe based on your own vain imaginings?
What the hell are you talking about?


I can't even begin to imagine how you got any of this out of what I said.

Please learn to read... get back on your meds... whatever.



-----
Laura
Stephe
2004-08-22 19:46:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one
is in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he?
Yet strangely enough you never seem to mind when Diane calls me by a name
I got rid of more than a decade ago and uses male pronouns.
And I don't say anything about you doing that either did I? Have I jumped on
your for your rude coments towards Diane? Both you are beyond help. Two
peas in a pod actually! :-)

Like Allison said to me one day, we expect a few low rent people to act a
certain way. Just because You, Diane and JS have used male pronouns and
names in regards to me and others doesn't mean I have to become a loser and
do likewise do I? Neither does she.

I just hate to see -other people- joining the list of trash mouths on these
groups, hence my coments to Allison. I'm not "defending" anyone, just hate
seeing someone else turn into a pathetic loser.
--
Stephe
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-24 21:32:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by L D Blake
Stephe, it is plenty obvious to anyone who's reading comprehension scores in
positive numbers that YOU are no less biased and hateful than the people you
so stupidly defend.
You know Lyle, the simple fact is, we don't believe you. And we really do
see you as a man.
Stephe
2004-08-25 06:00:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jennifer Usher
Post by L D Blake
Stephe, it is plenty obvious to anyone who's reading comprehension scores
in
Post by L D Blake
positive numbers that YOU are no less biased and hateful than the people
you
Post by L D Blake
so stupidly defend.
You know Lyle, the simple fact is, we don't believe you. And we really do
see you as a man.
The problem with that arguement is: there might be someone who sees you as a
-man-, especially as a pre-op. Would you want to be refered to in this way?
Treat others like you would want to be treated and all that Christian
stuff.... Calling any MTF who ID's as feminine gender is lame and I don't
care who it is or who's doing it, it isn't right.

Flame away..
--
Stephe
p***@yahoo.com
2004-08-25 17:45:54 UTC
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Post by Stephe
The problem with that arguement is: there might be someone who sees you as a
-man-, especially as a pre-op. Would you want to be refered to in this way?
Treat others like you would want to be treated and all that Christian
stuff.... Calling any MTF who ID's as feminine gender is lame and I don't
care who it is or who's doing it, it isn't right.
Flame away..
--
Stephe
No flames from me! Just a big "AMEN", Sister Steph.
--
Success is getting what you want.
Happiness is wanting what you got.

Kisses and Tickles
Helen Detroit
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-25 20:05:22 UTC
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Post by Stephe
The problem with that arguement is: there might be someone who sees you as a
-man-, especially as a pre-op. Would you want to be refered to in this way?
Treat others like you would want to be treated and all that Christian
stuff.... Calling any MTF who ID's as feminine gender is lame and I don't
care who it is or who's doing it, it isn't right.
Well, I suppose there probably are those who would, at least in the
abstract. My son-in-law is a bit of a jerk, and probably, deep down,
refuses to see me as a woman. And some of my extended family, aunts and
uncles don't accept me. Then again, they have not seen me since I
transitioned, so to them, they only remember me as I was. And there are
people who, if they knew of my situation, would probably not be very
accepting, but you know, it's a funny thing. I really don't care. You see,
I am secure in my identity. If someone says, "You are a man," it actually
doesn't really register. It is meaningless to me. Other's mileage may
vary. I simply do not see myself that way. And besides, by setting an
arbitrary rule, and saying that every trans-whatever person has to call
every other trans-whatever person by the pronouns that are demanded renders
it all meaningless. This is not a game, at least not for some of us.
Post by Stephe
Flame away..
Sorry to disappoint you, but no. I figure you deserve some credit for
finally seeing Blake for the fool he is.
--
Jennifer Usher
Stephe
2004-08-25 22:37:08 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Usher
I am secure in my identity. If someone says, "You are a man," it actually
doesn't really register. It is meaningless to me. Other's mileage may
vary. I simply do not see myself that way.
And the people you call "he" don't see themselves that way either. You can
claim when/if someone "sir's" you it doesn't matter but I won't believe it.
Post by Jennifer Usher
And besides, by setting an
arbitrary rule, and saying that every trans-whatever person has to call
every other trans-whatever person by the pronouns that are demanded
renders it all meaningless.
Poor excuse. You claim to be a Christian yet don't even follow the golden #1
rule. We all make mistakes but calling other transpeople "he" just because
you don't agree with them just makes you look bad and proves nothing. A
pre-op calling someone who is post op living as a woman "he"?
Post by Jennifer Usher
This is not a game, at least not for some of us.
They why are you acting like it is?
--
Stephe
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-25 23:09:49 UTC
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Post by Stephe
And the people you call "he" don't see themselves that way either. You can
claim when/if someone "sir's" you it doesn't matter but I won't believe it.
That hasn't happened in a long time.
Post by Stephe
Poor excuse. You claim to be a Christian yet don't even follow the golden #1
rule. We all make mistakes but calling other transpeople "he" just because
you don't agree with them just makes you look bad and proves nothing. A
pre-op calling someone who is post op living as a woman "he"?
I don't do it "just because I don't agree with them." And surgery does not
make one a woman. It is simply corrective. It does not change the brain,
or how a person thinks or behaves.
Post by Stephe
Post by Jennifer Usher
This is not a game, at least not for some of us.
They why are you acting like it is?
Because it is not a game. Because I honestly do not see either Arune or
Blake as a woman, and because I refuse to lie and pretend that I do just to
make them feel better. Personally, I think both would be better off if they
dropped their delusions, and left the rest of us alone.
--
Jennifer Usher
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-26 06:47:16 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Usher
Post by Stephe
And the people you call "he" don't see themselves that way either. You can
claim when/if someone "sir's" you it doesn't matter but I won't believe
it.
That hasn't happened in a long time.
Post by Stephe
Poor excuse. You claim to be a Christian yet don't even follow the golden
#1
Post by Stephe
rule. We all make mistakes but calling other transpeople "he" just because
you don't agree with them just makes you look bad and proves nothing. A
pre-op calling someone who is post op living as a woman "he"?
I don't do it "just because I don't agree with them." And surgery does not
make one a woman. It is simply corrective. It does not change the brain,
or how a person thinks or behaves.
Post by Stephe
Post by Jennifer Usher
This is not a game, at least not for some of us.
They why are you acting like it is?
Because it is not a game. Because I honestly do not see either Arune or
Blake as a woman, and because I refuse to lie and pretend that I do just to
make them feel better. Personally, I think both would be better off if they
dropped their delusions, and left the rest of us alone.
Mmmm-hmmmm.
And there are those who say the exact same things about you
& I, thus they feel perfectly justified using inappropriate
pronouns.

This is sad really, I suppose it's a PTSD-type symptom...

dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Stephe
2004-08-26 20:48:32 UTC
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Post by Jennifer Usher
Post by Stephe
And the people you call "he" don't see themselves that way either. You
can claim when/if someone "sir's" you it doesn't matter but I won't
believe
it.
That hasn't happened in a long time.
So you're saying if it did happen you wouldn't care in the least? BS.
Post by Jennifer Usher
Post by Stephe
Poor excuse. You claim to be a Christian yet don't even follow the golden
#1
Post by Stephe
rule. We all make mistakes but calling other transpeople "he" just
because you don't agree with them just makes you look bad and proves
nothing. A pre-op calling someone who is post op living as a woman "he"?
I don't do it "just because I don't agree with them."
You only do this to people who don't have the same POV that you do.
--
Stephe
p***@yahoo.com
2004-08-26 01:02:10 UTC
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Post by Stephe
And the people you call "he" don't see themselves that way either. You can
claim when/if someone "sir's" you it doesn't matter but I won't believe it.
Well, Stephe, as for myself, I think I will send all the combatants and
especially the pronoun bandits back into the killfile for a while. Thank
you for trying to get through to them.
--
"Terror must be maintained, or the empire will surely fall."
(Bad Spock in an alternate universe)
Alison Pretty
2004-08-22 04:51:10 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one is
in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he? Be the same
as when I walk into a store wearing a skirt and some guy -wanting to insult
me- start into the sir this and sir that. It's all about intent and you
just stated you are doing this to insult/attack someone.
No I didnt. I did state my intent, and my motivation. I am not insulting or
attacking anyone.
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
2, its petty but ... well yes, I think you did. the winners in life are
those who build outside their closets. the losers are those trapped in
them. Hereabouts, Dickless and co exemplify the loser closet brigade.
So where is my gender slam?
You pigeonhole me with "the closeted liar TS brigade", when Im not, seems to
me like that fits the bill. If it doesnt meet your definition, then so be
it.
Post by Stephe
Obviously I can't enforce this "right" but if you want me to say I was
wrong saying I wasn't -making up rules- I can deal with that, I was wrong.
Happy now?
That was big of you, thank you.
Post by Stephe
I do think the group of people doing this "gender slamming" are the biggest
bunch of -losers- on these newsgroups and also are the same people who
cause 99% of the problems. Feel free to join the list of losers!
Opinion noted.
Post by Stephe
--
Stephe
Alison Pretty
Stephe
2004-08-22 19:36:47 UTC
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Post by n***@any.adr
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
1, what is a gender slam? that might help to understand what a rude one
is
Post by Stephe
Post by Alison Pretty
in your rule-book
Calling someone named "Diane" who obviously ID's as female he? Be the
same as when I walk into a store wearing a skirt and some guy -wanting to
insult
Post by Stephe
me- start into the sir this and sir that. It's all about intent and you
just stated you are doing this to insult/attack someone.
No I didnt. I did state my intent, and my motivation. I am not insulting
or attacking anyone.
Give me a break....
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-20 13:46:41 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Did I send you a rude gender slam? And yes -LOSERS- are the ones doing the
gender slamming. Look around you at who else is doing this activity you've
joined in with.
Do you ever quit bellyaching?



-----
Laura
L D Blake
2004-08-19 16:24:13 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Feel free to continue.
ROFL.. Like you've got any say in it.

-----
Laura
Stephe
2004-08-20 05:53:39 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Feel free to continue.
ROFL.. Like you've got any say in it.
You're right Laura, no one is ever going to get you to stop. I was just
noting if someone kill files the gender slammers, they will kill file most
of the losers who post here.
--
Stephe
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-18 17:10:22 UTC
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Post by Willow Arune
"So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used."
Agreed. It is polite and correct.
Stephe dear, when I refer to men like Mr. Willow and Lyle as "he" or "him"
it is because that is the proper pronoun.
L D Blake
2004-08-18 17:21:36 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:10:22 -0700, "Jennifer Usher"
Post by Jennifer Usher
Stephe dear, when I refer to men like Mr. Willow and Lyle as "he" or "him"
it is because that is the proper pronoun.
Actually, it's because you are a flaming bigot.


-----
Laura
Sandra
2004-08-18 17:47:00 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:10:22 -0700, "Jennifer Usher"
Post by Jennifer Usher
Stephe dear, when I refer to men like Mr. Willow and Lyle as "he" or
"him" it is because that is the proper pronoun.
Actually, it's because you are a flaming bigot.
-----
Laura
Oh, by the way, Laura, could you also point that out to your sockpuppet,
Alison?
Thanks,
Sandra
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-19 00:47:57 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:10:22 -0700, "Jennifer Usher"
Post by Jennifer Usher
Stephe dear, when I refer to men like Mr. Willow and Lyle as "he" or "him"
it is because that is the proper pronoun.
Actually, it's because you are a flaming bigot.
No Lyle, though you are getting closer to the truth. You just described
yourself.
--
Jennifer Usher
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-18 08:54:13 UTC
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Post by Stephe
So? She ID's as female and anyone (including me or you) who ID's as
feminine/female has a right to have the correct pronouns used.
It's true, even the fact that there are those with such an
appaling lack of social grace as to deliberately use
inappropriate pronouns does not give "the rest of us" the
"right" to do it.
;)
dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Bea Foroni
2004-08-27 13:45:11 UTC
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...blah blah blah...
Wow! Thank you Alison. You said what I needed to hear. You see, I work
with the public and most people are nice to me. But, sometimes I run
up against some one is who is mean towards me.

You have painted an understandable picture of the type of person who
would be mean to me. I can see what you are and where you are coming
from.

Even though you claim to be rightious and fighting for 'truth' when
you act mean; it is obvious to me that you are just an angry person.
Why your anger is directed towards transexuals, I have no idea. And I
really don't care. I just know that you are angry.

I have no anger towards you and would never be mean to you. I am a
happy person, I have love around me, I have meaning in my life, and I
have goals that I believe I will attain. I think these are better than
anger.

Peace.
Sandra
2004-08-10 04:01:04 UTC
Permalink
Isn't it interesting that the crossposting to ASCD, exposes Alison's
feelings about the authenticity of the people posting in ASCD? Wow,
Alison, you did much better at savaging your own reputation there than
anyone else ever could! Well done, dear.
Sandra
Post by Stephe
Post by AlisonPretty
Post by Sandra
Having a bit of a memory lapse there, Laura? I believe the insults
started when I had made an innocent response
Who do you think you are fooling Sandra?
There isnt an innocent bone in body from what I can see.
As for Diane crossposting, well, he does it often, this time I take
it as an open invitation to enter and take a crap in ASS, just as
he's done here so often.
As an aside, I can only assume one thing from the influx of ASS wipes
into ASCD: clearly they still view themselves as crossdressers.
Is it just me or does this sound just like some crap LB would post?
Alison Pretty
2004-08-11 16:18:24 UTC
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Post by Sandra
Isn't it interesting that the crossposting to ASCD, exposes Alison's
feelings about the authenticity of the people posting in ASCD? Wow,
Alison, you did much better at savaging your own reputation there than
anyone else ever could! Well done, dear.
Sandra
Eh? I dont see anything bout people's authenticity. Sorry you must be
reading between the lines.
I did talk about ASS wipes - and postulate on reasons as to why they spend
so much time posting in a group named for a community they 'claim' they
dont fit within.
Actions speak louder than words I believe was the thread... :)
I of course didn't actually name names either, but if the shoes fits....

Alison, pretty happy with her 'reputation'
n***@any.adr
2004-08-11 18:35:59 UTC
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Post by Alison Pretty
Eh? I dont see anything bout people's authenticity. Sorry you must be
reading between the lines.
Hi Allison...

Methinks the poor dear's all confused again, thinking I'm you or is it you're
me? Kinda sad really when we live half a world apart.

-----
Laura
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-11 19:41:03 UTC
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Post by n***@any.adr
Methinks the poor dear's all confused again, thinking I'm you or is it you're
me? Kinda sad really when we live half a world apart.
And yet, you think everyone is Diane.
--
Jennifer Usher
n***@any.adr
2004-08-11 19:57:19 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:41:03 -0700, "Jennifer Usher"
Post by Diane Arons
Post by n***@any.adr
Methinks the poor dear's all confused again, thinking I'm you or is it
you're
Post by n***@any.adr
me? Kinda sad really when we live half a world apart.
And yet, you think everyone is Diane.
I have PROOF that Lask has used several different aliases concurrently on
these newsgroups. This is also proof that she suckers people into decent
conversations to get information about them and then flames their asses under
her real name. I also have proof, thanks to her screwing up that she's posted
at least some of the anon/impersonation trolls.

It's all right there in alt.support.crossdressing ...

-----
Laura
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-12 00:10:00 UTC
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Post by n***@any.adr
I have PROOF that Lask has used several different aliases concurrently on
these newsgroups. This is also proof that she suckers people into decent
conversations to get information about them and then flames their asses under
her real name. I also have proof, thanks to her screwing up that she's posted
at least some of the anon/impersonation trolls.
Funny how only you sees that proof.
Post by n***@any.adr
It's all right there in alt.support.crossdressing ...
That's nice. I don't read that group. And I have no desire to do so.
--
Jennifer Usher
Stephe
2004-08-25 06:02:59 UTC
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Post by n***@any.adr
I have PROOF that Lask has used several different aliases concurrently on
these newsgroups.
And the difference between you and Diane is? You've admited to doing this
too.
Post by n***@any.adr
This is also proof that she suckers people into decent
conversations to get information about them and then flames their asses under
her real name.
Which you've also done.
Post by n***@any.adr
I also have proof, thanks to her screwing up that she's
posted at least some of the anon/impersonation trolls.
And you think we're so stupid to think you don't do this as well?

-L-
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-25 17:24:04 UTC
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Post by Stephe
And you think we're so stupid to think you don't do this as well?
Actually Stephe, I thing you are stupid enough to believe the idiots who say I
do. In fact, the idiots doing this are counting on it...

FYI babe... There's a couple of dirty tricks being used to mess with your
head...

1) And this one is painfully obvious ... Post hate mail from an anon
remailler and then blame me for it. After a while people will start to
believe it's me doing it. The bad part is that without a whole slew of very
expensive court orders, there's no way to prove it's not me.

2) This one's a bit more complex... Post a flaming hot message to usenet
impersonating me. Wait for someone to quote the message calling me out for
flaming them. Cancel the original message (the impersonation) and use the
various Archive's removal tools. Now quote the *reply* as proof that I am the
flamer. This leaves me with absolutely no way to prove whether it was me or
not. Over time, with repetition, people will believe it was me.


Now I will admit I do have quite the temper and I've said some stuff I
probably should regret. But I am not the one posting these impersonations and
"soandso is dead" messages. I have exactly one email account, post directly
from my ISP's mail and news servers. Anyone who knows how to read message
headers can trace any of my messages directly back to me.

Don't believe me... Ask how it is that, after all these years, someone so
ambitious to make me look bad as Diane, Jennifer and Sandra are have never
developed even one shred of proof it's me? (Answer: because it isn't me)

Also go look over in alt.support.crossdressing... Diane recently got caught
*red handed* at the game... She screwed up and replied from the wrong account
and got nailed for it.

Now, given a) no proof it's me and b) Diane getting caught red handed... who
do you think is the more likely suspect?

Use your head for a change, Stephe...


-----
Laura
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-25 20:39:20 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
And you think we're so stupid to think you don't do this as well?
Actually Stephe, I thing you are stupid enough to believe the idiots who say I
do. In fact, the idiots doing this are counting on it...
Actually, she, like others, has seen you do this first hand.
Post by L D Blake
FYI babe... There's a couple of dirty tricks being used to mess with your
head...
1) And this one is painfully obvious ... Post hate mail from an anon
remailler and then blame me for it. After a while people will start to
believe it's me doing it. The bad part is that without a whole slew of very
expensive court orders, there's no way to prove it's not me.
The problem is, a lot of the mail is in your style. And I find it
interesting that you have lied, repeatedly, about how you do have proof.
How many times have you claimed to have obtained court orders? Clearly, you
never have, and never will.
Post by L D Blake
2) This one's a bit more complex... Post a flaming hot message to usenet
impersonating me. Wait for someone to quote the message calling me out for
flaming them. Cancel the original message (the impersonation) and use the
various Archive's removal tools. Now quote the *reply* as proof that I am the
flamer. This leaves me with absolutely no way to prove whether it was me or
not. Over time, with repetition, people will believe it was me.
Oh come on! That is incredibly lame. In truth, you posted the flaming hot
messages, and then went to Google and nuked them all. YOU are the one who
removed the proof. You've tried this lie before, and it has never worked.
Lyle, I saw you post a lot of those messages. They were not forgeries, and
they were removed by you in a desperate, and incredibly stupid, attempt to
hide your own words. And no matter how often you repeat this lie, no one
will believe you, especially someone like Stephe, who, like me, has
witnessed the original posts/
Post by L D Blake
Now I will admit I do have quite the temper and I've said some stuff I
probably should regret. But I am not the one posting these impersonations and
"soandso is dead" messages. I have exactly one email account, post directly
from my ISP's mail and news servers. Anyone who knows how to read message
headers can trace any of my messages directly back to me.
You mean like the one you posted to alt.flame.n*****s?
Post by L D Blake
Don't believe me... Ask how it is that, after all these years, someone so
ambitious to make me look bad as Diane, Jennifer and Sandra are have never
developed even one shred of proof it's me? (Answer: because it isn't me)
Uh, because, as you point out, it would require expensive court orders?
Post by L D Blake
Also go look over in alt.support.crossdressing... Diane recently got caught
*red handed* at the game... She screwed up and replied from the wrong account
and got nailed for it.
Now, given a) no proof it's me and b) Diane getting caught red handed... who
do you think is the more likely suspect?
Use your head for a change, Stephe...
Yeah sure....<yawn> After that stupidity about how people forged messages,
quoted them, and then nuked them....well, anything you say is totally
suspect.
--
Jennifer Usher
Stephe
2004-08-25 22:28:17 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
And you think we're so stupid to think you don't do this as well?
Actually Stephe, I thing you are stupid enough to believe the idiots who say I
do. In fact, the idiots doing this are counting on it...
FYI babe... There's a couple of dirty tricks being used to mess with your
head...
Like this one when you were using anon remailers to trash the groups a while
ago?? One day you admit to using anon remailers, the next say you never
have and them try to say -they- are "Messing with my head"? LOL You're such
a loser!


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Post by L D Blake
If you step back and look at this thread, LB can't be seriously thinking
-anyone- would react favorably to her actions in the last couple of days or
have any respect for her actions here.
Y'all ain't exactly the brightest bulb on the tree are ya?

What I did was deliberate... I trashed the newsgroups "Sandra" (i.e. Diane
Lask) uses, because she blamed me for all the flame wars.

Way I figure it, if the fuckups want a fight it's gonna happen on their
turf, where it will do them the most harm... on A.S.S

And you... well I can't help it if you're just to STUPID to see what's going
on.
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-25 23:54:22 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Like this one when you were using anon remailers to trash the groups a while
ago?? One day you admit to using anon remailers, the next say you never
have and them try to say -they- are "Messing with my head"? LOL You're such
a loser!
And where exactly does that say I was using anon remaillers?

Methinks you need to sharpen up on those reading skills my dear.


-----
Laura
Stephe
2004-08-26 20:52:37 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Like this one when you were using anon remailers to trash the groups a
while ago?? One day you admit to using anon remailers, the next say you
never have and them try to say -they- are "Messing with my head"? LOL
You're such a loser!
And where exactly does that say I was using anon remaillers?
Because this "trashing" was being done using anon remailers. So either you
were lieing about it being you who was trashing the groups or you're lieing
about never using anon remailers.
Post by L D Blake
Methinks you need to sharpen up on those reading skills my dear.
Same old lame insults.
--
Stephe
L D Blake
2004-08-26 21:09:41 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Because this "trashing" was being done using anon remailers. So either you
were lieing about it being you who was trashing the groups or you're lieing
about never using anon remailers.
Do the world a favour... don't ever take a job as a detective.

When I deliberately trashed ASS I did it in the open, under my own name and
signature. I wanted them to know it was payback for Sandra's accusations.

I DO NOT use anon remaillers.

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Laura
Stephe
2004-08-27 06:26:37 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Post by Stephe
Because this "trashing" was being done using anon remailers. So either you
were lieing about it being you who was trashing the groups or you're
lieing about never using anon remailers.
When I deliberately trashed ASS I did it in the open, under my own name and
signature.
Actually just before that, you were using a anon remailer posting under
another name or did you forget the post you wrote "I was posting using
another name and everyone was nice until they figured out it was me"? And
yes there were a BUNCH of anon posts using the same remailer right before
you 'came back' using your own name, wonder who that was? Guess it takes
Sherlock Holmes to figure that out? LOL

Just like no one knew that was you posting under that anon address before
you blew up in you're little hissy fit?
Post by L D Blake
I DO NOT use anon remaillers.
Oh BS. Even you don't believe that one.

BTW I'm sure you love the X-noarchive so the only way people can repost your
BS/abuse is saving the really good ones on their hard drive, like this one:



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Post by L D Blake
Activists don't make death threats either Lyle <g>
Make no mistake about this...
you end up in the same room with me and I WILL KILL YOU!
Post by L D Blake
Guess that kind of kills the prospect of you trying to provide
"support" any time soon huh?
Killing you would probably be the most supportive thing I could do for the
users of this newsgroup.


-----
Laura



Posting death threats in a support group, you're such a LOSER!! WTF would
anyone listen to the advice from someone who hasn't worked in 20 years and
has no life outside of the transgender newsgroups?
--
Stephe
p***@yahoo.com
2004-08-27 07:14:56 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Post by L D Blake
I DO NOT use anon remaillers.
Oh BS. Even you don't believe that one.
Drats. You are using KNode on a linux box, but then again I imagine you
know perfectly well how to set a filter on your chosen newsreader. As
for me, I just this moment set a kill filter in Agent to filter on
"anonymous" anywhere in the author field, and set the action to Delete,
scope to Global, and no expiration.

My newsreader has become a very peaceful part of my computing landscape!

Most of those in my killfile are under filters with an expiration...
sort of a 30 day time-out. Plus I usually set the action to "mark read",
which hides the posts since my copy of agent is set to display only
unread posts, but they are still there if I should wish to read them by
showing all messages. The anon-ers get the permanent filter with delete
action. I figure anybody who won't even use their regular internet nym,
much less their real name, probably doesn't have anything to say that I
want to read or hear, ever.

This filtering thing really ought to be pushed harder, I think. People
tend to read stuff that upsets them, for some reason. Maybe deep within
our hearts there is a need to be combative, to fight against someone or
something. Do we get burned out on peace? Do some of us have a higher
peace tolerance than others? How many people simply play the game,
knowing that they can bring out the warrior in others, and amuse
themselves doing so? The sense of power and control must be
exhillerating to someone who has been disempowered by themselves or by
society.

Or am I, as a reactive killfiler, the one being manipulated? Is my
killfiling just another example of pull string / puppet dance? Are the
"evil ones" laughing because they made me killfile them?

Naaaah.

Keep the faith, Stephe. Live well. Killfile, and be happy.
--
Success is getting what you want.
Happiness is wanting what you got.

Kisses and Tickles
Helen Detroit
L D Blake
2004-08-27 14:07:49 UTC
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Post by p***@yahoo.com
Drats. You are using KNode on a linux box, but then again I imagine you
know perfectly well how to set a filter on your chosen newsreader. As
for me, I just this moment set a kill filter in Agent to filter on
"anonymous" anywhere in the author field, and set the action to Delete,
scope to Global, and no expiration.
Well, except, that is, our darling Ms Stephe has a major chip on her shoulder
and is the one starting half the fights here-about.


-----
Laura

Jennifer Usher
2004-08-25 20:32:29 UTC
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Post by Stephe
Post by n***@any.adr
I have PROOF that Lask has used several different aliases concurrently on
these newsgroups.
And the difference between you and Diane is? You've admited to doing this
too.
Lyle does not have any evidence. He makes bogus claims like this, but never
seems able to actually produce it.
L D Blake
2004-08-25 21:23:45 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:32:29 -0700, "Jennifer Usher"
Post by Jennifer Usher
Lyle does not have any evidence. He makes bogus claims like this, but never
seems able to actually produce it.
Go look in alt.support.crossdressing about 2 weeks ago... Lask was caught RED
HANDED using several identities on the group at once. I sent a message to
"Heather" and got a reply quoting it from Diane, pretty much proof positive
that she was playing games and screwed up. She also posted the same message
in to me in email under her own name and anonymously on the newsgroup at the
same time, revealing herself to be the anon troll.

Frankly, I think she wanted to get caught.

It's all in the archives honey.


-----
Laura
Jennifer Usher
2004-08-25 23:10:50 UTC
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Post by L D Blake
Go look in alt.support.crossdressing about 2 weeks ago... Lask was caught RED
HANDED using several identities on the group at once. I sent a message to
"Heather" and got a reply quoting it from Diane, pretty much proof positive
that she was playing games and screwed up. She also posted the same message
in to me in email under her own name and anonymously on the newsgroup at the
same time, revealing herself to be the anon troll.
Frankly, I think she wanted to get caught.
It's all in the archives honey.
So your "evidence" is stuff you claim to have received in email?
--
Jennifer Usher
sallyB
2004-08-07 04:22:37 UTC
Permalink
The Diane Arons delusion is that she thinks she's saving the world from
Blake (Diane considers herself a mission poster) and she thinks everybody
isn't going to notice her obsession (except Elaine). Occasional vicious
snide attacks from Sandra251 do little but further Elaine and Diane's vision
that they are somehow doing what is right and just. Imagine Elaine dressed
up like the statue of liberty... That's the way Elaine see's herself. Of
course I don't need to give a running commentary because most people already
see this. its just good to rub it in bluntly once in a while.
Post by Diane Arons
Has anyone else noticed that Lyle Blake hasn't exactly been on the
same wavelength as the rest of us lately?
Lyle has always doggy-paddled down in the shallow end of the gene pool
but in the last few weeks he's been floundering! As arguments
containing Nietzschian philosophies, biology vs. sociology themes and
gender queer theory zoom about the newsgroups and apparently just over
Lyle's pointy little noggin', he seems to be left with no other
rhetorical device then to stare open-mouthed at the participants and
blubber, "You're Diane!"
Oh, how the mighty kooks have fallen! Where once a Lyle Blake/Masters
could throw a newsgroup into an unrelenting months-long flame war, now
L.B. is reduced to sitting on the sidelines alongside a small army of
battered sock-puppetes mumbling invectives along with the occasional,
almost reflexive, "You're Diane!" while the rest of the newsgroup
snickers not so silently to themselves.
And Lyle seems utterly oblivious to all of this. Without insight that
he is being mocked. Without understanding that he's not quite tuned
in to the rest of us. His only reply and contribution to all the
discussion at large being, "You're Diane!" What is making him act
this way? Advancing age ? New medications or perhaps the lack of?
Or perhaps he's just given up?
A 13 year history of trolling and promotion of kook philosophies is
quite possibly the longest running gambit on Usenet. Archimedes
Plutonium lasted not nearly as long as has Lyle. It's a pity that
Lyle specialized in being a transgendered kook because ironically we
rarely get the recognition we deserve as most of the male-centric,
homophobic Usenet haute culture tends to disdain such things. It's a
pity though because right here, in our own ..homeland.. as it were, we
likely have the most prolific Usenet kook that has ever existed. By
comparison, Lyle puts such pundits as Ed (astrology-boy) Wollerman
back into the relms of rankest amateur.
And now...the days of LD Blake appear to be on the decline, with only
the vaguest sounds of "...you're ...diane...." fading away into the
winds of time.
Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
Sandra
2004-08-07 04:51:30 UTC
Permalink
And, of course, you're the white knight saving us from the evil Diane
Collective, Hailey? Maybe you should examine your own obsession, sugar?
Sandra
Post by sallyB
The Diane Arons delusion is that she thinks she's saving the world
from Blake (Diane considers herself a mission poster) and she thinks
everybody isn't going to notice her obsession (except Elaine).
Occasional vicious snide attacks from Sandra251 do little but further
Elaine and Diane's vision that they are somehow doing what is right
and just. Imagine Elaine dressed up like the statue of liberty...
That's the way Elaine see's herself. Of course I don't need to give a
running commentary because most people already see this. its just good
to rub it in bluntly once in a while.
Post by Diane Arons
Has anyone else noticed that Lyle Blake hasn't exactly been on the
same wavelength as the rest of us lately?
Lyle has always doggy-paddled down in the shallow end of the gene pool
but in the last few weeks he's been floundering! As arguments
containing Nietzschian philosophies, biology vs. sociology themes and
gender queer theory zoom about the newsgroups and apparently just
over Lyle's pointy little noggin', he seems to be left with no other
rhetorical device then to stare open-mouthed at the participants and
blubber, "You're Diane!"
Oh, how the mighty kooks have fallen! Where once a Lyle Blake/Masters
could throw a newsgroup into an unrelenting months-long flame war,
now L.B. is reduced to sitting on the sidelines alongside a small
army of battered sock-puppetes mumbling invectives along with the
occasional, almost reflexive, "You're Diane!" while the rest of the
newsgroup snickers not so silently to themselves.
And Lyle seems utterly oblivious to all of this. Without insight
that he is being mocked. Without understanding that he's not quite
tuned in to the rest of us. His only reply and contribution to all
the discussion at large being, "You're Diane!" What is making him
act this way? Advancing age ? New medications or perhaps the lack
of? Or perhaps he's just given up?
A 13 year history of trolling and promotion of kook philosophies is
quite possibly the longest running gambit on Usenet. Archimedes
Plutonium lasted not nearly as long as has Lyle. It's a pity that
Lyle specialized in being a transgendered kook because ironically we
rarely get the recognition we deserve as most of the male-centric,
homophobic Usenet haute culture tends to disdain such things. It's a
pity though because right here, in our own ..homeland.. as it were,
we likely have the most prolific Usenet kook that has ever existed.
By comparison, Lyle puts such pundits as Ed (astrology-boy) Wollerman
back into the relms of rankest amateur.
And now...the days of LD Blake appear to be on the decline, with only
the vaguest sounds of "...you're ...diane...." fading away into the
winds of time.
Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
sallyB
2004-08-07 05:08:12 UTC
Permalink
huh ? WTF ???

I'm not obsessed about sugar at all!
Post by Sandra
And, of course, you're the white knight saving us from the evil Diane
Collective, Hailey? Maybe you should examine your own obsession, sugar?
Sandra
Post by sallyB
The Diane Arons delusion is that she thinks she's saving the world
from Blake (Diane considers herself a mission poster) and she thinks
everybody isn't going to notice her obsession (except Elaine).
Occasional vicious snide attacks from Sandra251 do little but further
Elaine and Diane's vision that they are somehow doing what is right
and just. Imagine Elaine dressed up like the statue of liberty...
That's the way Elaine see's herself. Of course I don't need to give a
running commentary because most people already see this. its just good
to rub it in bluntly once in a while.
Post by Diane Arons
Has anyone else noticed that Lyle Blake hasn't exactly been on the
same wavelength as the rest of us lately?
Lyle has always doggy-paddled down in the shallow end of the gene pool
but in the last few weeks he's been floundering! As arguments
containing Nietzschian philosophies, biology vs. sociology themes and
gender queer theory zoom about the newsgroups and apparently just
over Lyle's pointy little noggin', he seems to be left with no other
rhetorical device then to stare open-mouthed at the participants and
blubber, "You're Diane!"
Oh, how the mighty kooks have fallen! Where once a Lyle Blake/Masters
could throw a newsgroup into an unrelenting months-long flame war,
now L.B. is reduced to sitting on the sidelines alongside a small
army of battered sock-puppetes mumbling invectives along with the
occasional, almost reflexive, "You're Diane!" while the rest of the
newsgroup snickers not so silently to themselves.
And Lyle seems utterly oblivious to all of this. Without insight
that he is being mocked. Without understanding that he's not quite
tuned in to the rest of us. His only reply and contribution to all
the discussion at large being, "You're Diane!" What is making him
act this way? Advancing age ? New medications or perhaps the lack
of? Or perhaps he's just given up?
A 13 year history of trolling and promotion of kook philosophies is
quite possibly the longest running gambit on Usenet. Archimedes
Plutonium lasted not nearly as long as has Lyle. It's a pity that
Lyle specialized in being a transgendered kook because ironically we
rarely get the recognition we deserve as most of the male-centric,
homophobic Usenet haute culture tends to disdain such things. It's a
pity though because right here, in our own ..homeland.. as it were,
we likely have the most prolific Usenet kook that has ever existed.
By comparison, Lyle puts such pundits as Ed (astrology-boy) Wollerman
back into the relms of rankest amateur.
And now...the days of LD Blake appear to be on the decline, with only
the vaguest sounds of "...you're ...diane...." fading away into the
winds of time.
Is this the end of L.D. Blake ?
Etta Kitt
2004-08-07 14:09:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by sallyB
huh ? WTF ???
I'm not obsessed about sugar at all!
Post by Sandra
And, of course, you're the white knight saving us from the evil Diane
Collective, Hailey? Maybe you should examine your own obsession, sugar?
Sandra
ibelieve that sandra&sallyb are the sameperson i alsobelieve that if
valerie doesnot stepin and do something quickly her two sisters will
become the victims of poking each and oneinthe same in the nose eyes
and ears until theirfingers become sofreaking sore&swollen they wont
be able to type . that wouldbe disastrous

i being a lovinglysweet andkind individual heredo offer myservices in
hopethat we canbring you twotogether once again with acommon bond and
peaceloving message to all

ek


we can livein peace
loveand prosperity
we can enjoythe
wonderous gifts we
share and nurture
the everso enchanting
vision of our oneness
if youdont agree
with me then
fuckyou and stick
those sore&swollen
fingers upyours for
all igive ashit
Valerie
2004-08-07 18:07:48 UTC
Permalink
I haven't absorbed her (Hailey) yet. She's been valiantly fighting the
inevitable, but her will is weakening and soon she'll become another clone
for the Diane Collective, fighting evil across the galaxy.
Valerie
(The Diane Collective 3 of 9)
PS I would never poke myself in the eye. It makes my eyeliner and mascara
run.
PPS I love the peace and love and prosperity part, but the finger up the
whatever sounds a bit unpleasant, don't you think?
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-07 19:27:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Etta Kitt
Post by sallyB
huh ? WTF ???
I'm not obsessed about sugar at all!
Post by Sandra
And, of course, you're the white knight saving us from the evil Diane
Collective, Hailey? Maybe you should examine your own obsession, sugar?
Sandra
ibelieve that sandra&sallyb are the sameperson i alsobelieve that if
valerie doesnot stepin and do something quickly her two sisters will
become the victims of poking each and oneinthe same in the nose eyes
and ears until theirfingers become sofreaking sore&swollen they wont
be able to type . that wouldbe disastrous
i being a lovinglysweet andkind individual heredo offer myservices in
hopethat we canbring you twotogether once again with acommon bond and
peaceloving message to all
ek
we can livein peace
loveand prosperity
we can enjoythe
wonderous gifts we
share and nurture
the everso enchanting
vision of our oneness
if youdont agree
with me then
fuckyou and stick
those sore&swollen
fingers upyours for
all igive ashit
Personally I suspect that everyone here except me is
actually someone else...and sometimes I believe even I may
be someone else.

;)

dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
DoomsdayDriver
2004-08-07 19:31:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Etta Kitt
Post by sallyB
huh ? WTF ???
I'm not obsessed about sugar at all!
Post by Sandra
And, of course, you're the white knight saving us from the evil Diane
Collective, Hailey? Maybe you should examine your own obsession, sugar?
Sandra
ibelieve that sandra&sallyb are the sameperson i alsobelieve that if
valerie doesnot stepin and do something quickly her two sisters will
become the victims of poking each and oneinthe same in the nose eyes
and ears until theirfingers become sofreaking sore&swollen they wont
be able to type . that wouldbe disastrous
i being a lovinglysweet andkind individual heredo offer myservices in
hopethat we canbring you twotogether once again with acommon bond and
peaceloving message to all
ek
we can livein peace
loveand prosperity
we can enjoythe
wonderous gifts we
share and nurture
the everso enchanting
vision of our oneness
if youdont agree
with me then
fuckyou and stick
those sore&swollen
fingers upyours for
all igive ashit
Personally I suspect that everyone here except me is
actually someone else...and sometimes I believe even I may
be someone else.

;)

dd
--
"Real Life: It's working as coded..."
Etta Kitt
2004-08-07 19:33:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Valerie
PPS I love the peace and love and prosperity part, but the finger up the
whatever sounds a bit unpleasant, don't you think?
thankyou i am quite eloquent arent i


ek


pps on u2

yes it wouldbe unpleasant
if youwere me and i wereyou
but thenagain there are
those whowouldnot .
iwould rather be
dipping myfinger into
a delicious hotcarmel sundee
with sliced almonds
but thatwould
be insane because
iam on a shitass
diet
Amanda Angelika
2004-08-07 11:55:43 UTC
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Post by sallyB
Imagine Elaine dressed up like the statue of liberty...
LOL now that reminds me of some of my early crossdressing expereinces...

I did try dressing up as the Statue of Liberty as a child (amazing what one
can do with an old bed sheet) but found holding a torch up in the air a bit
tiresome on the arm LOL.

Britannia was better she got to sit on the side of a leather marketry
pattern poufe and only had to hold her trident (broom handle and cardboard
cutout covered in foil) also being able to rule the waves was useful since
one didn't need to get one's parents brand new carpet wet or get too
seasick. LOL Mind even Brittania proved to be a bit sendentary, Titania
Queen of Fairies was much more interesting since this gave the option of
chasing my little brother around with the Trident LOL ;)
--
Amanda


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