Carol Dearborn
2003-08-20 18:18:19 UTC
What follows is from Anne Lawrence's website. It looks like one could
be a "borderline" autogynephilic or homosexual transsexual. Remember,
Baily based his work on the study by Blanchard, who interviewed many
more TS than Baily did. Psychiatry is pseudo-science. Even though sex
was the trigger for my SRS (seeing an exhibitionist couple having sex
on the beach, which was an erotic experience -- and I didn't
masturbate and fantacize about it then or later; I identified with the
woman) and I used to get turned on (unintentionally) when I put on
sexy outfits, I don't have any erotic feelings now after SRS and I'm
very happy with that. The "homosexual" TS I've met are very sexual,
I'm not. Note how much of this test is based on "SEX". Before, my
ideal partner would have been a woman like Madonna or her friend,
Maura Moynihan. Now, I'd like to date an enthusiastic, young, male
scientist or Michael Jackson now that would be FUN!
2. Is there any operational method for distinguishing between
autogynephilic and homosexual transsexuals?
Here is a test devised by clinical psychologist Michael Bailey, Ph.D.,
from Northwestern University -- one that I suspect is only slightly
tongue in cheek. I agree with most of his items, though not all. The
test is from Bailey's forthcoming book on sexual difference, and is
reproduced here in its entirely, with his permission:
"Once you have learned about the distinction between autogynephilic
and homosexual transsexuals, and seen several of each, distinguishing
the two is easy. If Blanchard and I saw the same 100 transsexuals, I
would be surprised if we disagreed on more than two. But most readers
will not have met a single transsexual of either type, and even most
clinicians who see gender patients are not used to thinking about them
this way. In any case, you cannot simply ask someone "which type are
you?" I have devised a set of rules that should work even for the
novice (though admittedly, I have not tested them empirically). Start
at zero. Ask each question, and if the answer is "yes," add the number
next to the question. If the sum gets to +10, stop; the transsexual
you're talking to is autogynephilic. If the sum gets to -10, she is
homosexual.
[Actually you should take the whole test before making judgment.]
+10 At least three times, have you become sexually aroused enough
when wearing women's clothing in private that you masturbated?
+10 Have you been married to, and had biological children with, a
woman?
+9 Have you been married to a woman, without children?
+10 If I had observed your childhood behavior, would you have
appeared about as masculine as other boys?
+10 Are you nearly as attracted to women as to men? Or more attracted
to women? Or equally uninterested in both? (If "yes" to any of these)
+9 Is your sexual preference (to men, women, both, or neither)
difficult for you to decide?
+9 Were you over the age of 40 when you began to live full time as a
woman?
+9 Were you a virgin (no oral, vaginal or anal sex with another
person) until after the age of 20?
+7 Do you refer to yourself as "transgendered?"
+6 Have you often felt envious when looking at sexy women?
+10 Have you ever been in the military or worked as a policeman,
truck driver, or something equally stereotypically masculine? (use
your judgment)
+9 Have you worked at any of the following occupations: computer
programmer, businessman, lawyer, scientist, engineer, or physician?
-8 (If the previous two questions are answered "no") Have you ever
worked as a hairstylist, beautician, female impersonator, lingerie
model, or prostitute?
-9 Does this describe you? "I find the idea of having sex with men
very sexually exciting, and the idea of having sex with women not at
all appealing."
+9 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-8 Is your ideal sex partner a straight man?
+8 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-9 Have you had sex with many men and no women (or only one woman to
see what it was like)?
-7 Would you like to look at pictures of really muscular men with
their shirts off?
+5 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-8 Were you under the age of 25 when you began living full time as a
woman?
-8 If you saw an elegantly dressed and sexy woman on one sidewalk,
and a muscular, naked man on another, which would you look at? (Man)
+8 (If the answer to the previous question was "woman")
-7 If you could spend only one hour with a very attractive man, which
would you like to do more: dance with him or suck his penis? (Penis)
+5 (If the answer to the previous question is "dance")
"Interviewer, ask yourself:
-8 If you didn't already know that the person was transsexual, would
you have never suspected that she was not a natural-born woman?
+9 (If the person has been on hormones for at least 6 months) Do you
find it difficult to imagine that this person could ever pass as a
woman?
-6 Would some of your male friends find this person sexy?
-3 (Male Interviewers) Is this person flirting with you?
+8 (Female Interviewers) Is this person flirting with you?
"Finally, this interview could be invalid if you suspect that the
transsexual may be autogynephilic and either (a) worried you will
think badly of her or will deny her a sex change if you know the
truth, or (b) obsessed with being a "real" woman. As far as mistakes,
it is more likely that the interview would identify an autogynephilic
transsexual as homosexual than vice versa."
be a "borderline" autogynephilic or homosexual transsexual. Remember,
Baily based his work on the study by Blanchard, who interviewed many
more TS than Baily did. Psychiatry is pseudo-science. Even though sex
was the trigger for my SRS (seeing an exhibitionist couple having sex
on the beach, which was an erotic experience -- and I didn't
masturbate and fantacize about it then or later; I identified with the
woman) and I used to get turned on (unintentionally) when I put on
sexy outfits, I don't have any erotic feelings now after SRS and I'm
very happy with that. The "homosexual" TS I've met are very sexual,
I'm not. Note how much of this test is based on "SEX". Before, my
ideal partner would have been a woman like Madonna or her friend,
Maura Moynihan. Now, I'd like to date an enthusiastic, young, male
scientist or Michael Jackson now that would be FUN!
2. Is there any operational method for distinguishing between
autogynephilic and homosexual transsexuals?
Here is a test devised by clinical psychologist Michael Bailey, Ph.D.,
from Northwestern University -- one that I suspect is only slightly
tongue in cheek. I agree with most of his items, though not all. The
test is from Bailey's forthcoming book on sexual difference, and is
reproduced here in its entirely, with his permission:
"Once you have learned about the distinction between autogynephilic
and homosexual transsexuals, and seen several of each, distinguishing
the two is easy. If Blanchard and I saw the same 100 transsexuals, I
would be surprised if we disagreed on more than two. But most readers
will not have met a single transsexual of either type, and even most
clinicians who see gender patients are not used to thinking about them
this way. In any case, you cannot simply ask someone "which type are
you?" I have devised a set of rules that should work even for the
novice (though admittedly, I have not tested them empirically). Start
at zero. Ask each question, and if the answer is "yes," add the number
next to the question. If the sum gets to +10, stop; the transsexual
you're talking to is autogynephilic. If the sum gets to -10, she is
homosexual.
[Actually you should take the whole test before making judgment.]
+10 At least three times, have you become sexually aroused enough
when wearing women's clothing in private that you masturbated?
+10 Have you been married to, and had biological children with, a
woman?
+9 Have you been married to a woman, without children?
+10 If I had observed your childhood behavior, would you have
appeared about as masculine as other boys?
+10 Are you nearly as attracted to women as to men? Or more attracted
to women? Or equally uninterested in both? (If "yes" to any of these)
+9 Is your sexual preference (to men, women, both, or neither)
difficult for you to decide?
+9 Were you over the age of 40 when you began to live full time as a
woman?
+9 Were you a virgin (no oral, vaginal or anal sex with another
person) until after the age of 20?
+7 Do you refer to yourself as "transgendered?"
+6 Have you often felt envious when looking at sexy women?
+10 Have you ever been in the military or worked as a policeman,
truck driver, or something equally stereotypically masculine? (use
your judgment)
+9 Have you worked at any of the following occupations: computer
programmer, businessman, lawyer, scientist, engineer, or physician?
-8 (If the previous two questions are answered "no") Have you ever
worked as a hairstylist, beautician, female impersonator, lingerie
model, or prostitute?
-9 Does this describe you? "I find the idea of having sex with men
very sexually exciting, and the idea of having sex with women not at
all appealing."
+9 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-8 Is your ideal sex partner a straight man?
+8 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-9 Have you had sex with many men and no women (or only one woman to
see what it was like)?
-7 Would you like to look at pictures of really muscular men with
their shirts off?
+5 (If the answer to the previous question is "no")
-8 Were you under the age of 25 when you began living full time as a
woman?
-8 If you saw an elegantly dressed and sexy woman on one sidewalk,
and a muscular, naked man on another, which would you look at? (Man)
+8 (If the answer to the previous question was "woman")
-7 If you could spend only one hour with a very attractive man, which
would you like to do more: dance with him or suck his penis? (Penis)
+5 (If the answer to the previous question is "dance")
"Interviewer, ask yourself:
-8 If you didn't already know that the person was transsexual, would
you have never suspected that she was not a natural-born woman?
+9 (If the person has been on hormones for at least 6 months) Do you
find it difficult to imagine that this person could ever pass as a
woman?
-6 Would some of your male friends find this person sexy?
-3 (Male Interviewers) Is this person flirting with you?
+8 (Female Interviewers) Is this person flirting with you?
"Finally, this interview could be invalid if you suspect that the
transsexual may be autogynephilic and either (a) worried you will
think badly of her or will deny her a sex change if you know the
truth, or (b) obsessed with being a "real" woman. As far as mistakes,
it is more likely that the interview would identify an autogynephilic
transsexual as homosexual than vice versa."